Comments on: Six techniques to overcome ageism and overqualified labels http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/over-qualified-revisited/ My Clients get Hired. Is it your turn? Wed, 05 May 2010 19:49:28 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: admin http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/over-qualified-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-8830 admin Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:38:03 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368#comment-8830 Sorry Fred, The link I meant to share is:http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=373. The post discusses why companies shy away from hiring older workers. Sorry Fred, The link I meant to share is:http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=373. The post discusses why companies shy away from hiring older workers.

]]> By: admin http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/over-qualified-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-8829 admin Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:35:12 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368#comment-8829 Thank you for your view. My own experience with employers contradicts yours. I understand your frustration and anger and suspect you have had some bad experiences with employers who do not value you or your friends. In general, companies know that to succeed, they must hire people who can and will do the work. There is no getting away from that fact. I am sorry you interpreted my comments as, 'bringing down to their level.' There is no level. There is only a company who will consider hiring you because you fit their culture and can do the job. After reviewing mock interviews conducted by younger/older workers I can tell you this works. Style, attitude and answers to the hard questions are quite easy to review. It is highly likely the person interviewing an older worker is junior to them. Thus, the technique works because it replicates the real world experience. And don't assume that because one is younger they are less experienced. I know many vice presidents and over who are in their 30's and have employees between 28-62. Read this post to understand the company point of view: http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368 Best of luck in your own pursuits. I hope you find a welcoming place to work and for which you have respect. Thank you for your view. My own experience with employers contradicts yours. I understand your frustration and anger and suspect you have had some bad experiences with employers who do not value you or your friends. In general, companies know that to succeed, they must hire people who can and will do the work. There is no getting away from that fact.

I am sorry you interpreted my comments as, ‘bringing down to their level.’ There is no level. There is only a company who will consider hiring you because you fit their culture and can do the job.

After reviewing mock interviews conducted by younger/older workers I can tell you this works. Style, attitude and answers to the hard questions are quite easy to review. It is highly likely the person interviewing an older worker is junior to them. Thus, the technique works because it replicates the real world experience. And don’t assume that because one is younger they are less experienced. I know many vice presidents and over who are in their 30′s and have employees between 28-62. Read this post to understand the company point of view: http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368

Best of luck in your own pursuits. I hope you find a welcoming place to work and for which you have respect.

]]> By: Ferd Dong http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/over-qualified-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-8822 Ferd Dong Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:15:26 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368#comment-8822 Companies say that they want to hire the best talent available. But actually they want cheap, manipulative labor. They will consider older, experienced workers only when their short-sighted practices fail. But even then they hesitate to hire the help they really need. They worry that experienced help will leave, be bored, or be unhappy? If so, they need to re-evaluate the work environment that they’ve created. If they worry that the experienced candidate will become competition for their own job then they’re putting their own gain over what’s best for the company – and probably making a poor assumption at the same time. After all, who gets credit for recognizing this talent and bringing it into the company? Finally, asking a younger person to evaluate “how you come across” is like asking your kids if you are “cool” enough. You’ll get opinions but no productive insights because you and they are in totally different roles and they do not have the experience to analyze it. You’re better off asking somebody older and more experienced than you. I appreciate the author’s sincerity and agree with her other points but I don’t agree with the implication that you need to bring yourself down to their level in order to work for them. That has been favored advice for at least the last twenty years and look where it’s gotten us – our current poor economy is all the proof you need. Companies say that they want to hire the best talent available. But actually they want cheap, manipulative labor. They will consider older, experienced workers only when their short-sighted practices fail. But even then they hesitate to hire the help they really need. They worry that experienced help will leave, be bored, or be unhappy? If so, they need to re-evaluate the work environment that they’ve created. If they worry that the experienced candidate will become competition for their own job then they’re putting their own gain over what’s best for the company – and probably making a poor assumption at the same time. After all, who gets credit for recognizing this talent and bringing it into the company? Finally, asking a younger person to evaluate “how you come across” is like asking your kids if you are “cool” enough. You’ll get opinions but no productive insights because you and they are in totally different roles and they do not have the experience to analyze it. You’re better off asking somebody older and more experienced than you. I appreciate the author’s sincerity and agree with her other points but I don’t agree with the implication that you need to bring yourself down to their level in order to work for them. That has been favored advice for at least the last twenty years and look where it’s gotten us – our current poor economy is all the proof you need.

]]> By: Mary Aucoin Kaarto http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/over-qualified-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-8805 Mary Aucoin Kaarto Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:39:16 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=368#comment-8805 Thank you for posting such an informative article regarding a sensitive issue. So many of my friends who are professionals in transition, are 55+ years old, and are extremely concerned about age discrimination. Thank you for posting such an informative article regarding a sensitive issue. So many of my friends who are professionals in transition, are 55+ years old, and are extremely concerned about age discrimination.

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