Comments on: 7 Tricks recruiters use to trap unsuspecting candidates http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/ My Clients get Hired. Is it your turn? Wed, 05 May 2010 19:49:28 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Land that big six figure job | Rita Ashley, Career Coach http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-11026 Land that big six figure job | Rita Ashley, Career Coach Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:03:39 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-11026 [...] resume sites and corporate websites. All that accomplishes is you bloody the waters to become prey for sharks. Those public resume aggregators receive thousands of resumes from job seekers; you have no [...] [...] resume sites and corporate websites. All that accomplishes is you bloody the waters to become prey for sharks. Those public resume aggregators receive thousands of resumes from job seekers; you have no [...]

]]> By: Danielle Lambert http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-2623 Danielle Lambert Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:58:27 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-2623 I neglected to use proper email etiquette and sent a recycled/fake job description without the courtesy of BCCing the 20 people I send it to. One of them has kindly posted all of my contact info for the great wide internet to enjoy at will ;-) annoyed at recruiter: Danielle Lambert SCFoster, LLC. | Business & Technology Services office: 302-450-1411 x111 email: danielle.lambert@scfoster.com I neglected to use proper email etiquette and sent a recycled/fake job description without the courtesy of BCCing the 20 people I send it to. One of them has kindly posted all of my contact info for the great wide internet to enjoy at will ;-)

annoyed at recruiter:

Danielle Lambert
SCFoster, LLC. | Business & Technology Services
office: 302-450-1411 x111
email: danielle.lambert@scfoster.com

]]> By: admin http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 admin Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:28:44 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-1471 Great question. If the recruiter contacted you and has the search, the company will value her resumes. They are already committed to paying her if she finds the right person and if she has a long standing relationship, she is almost as good as a referral. Do not go around her. Do not submit through a job board or your resume will be lost among hundreds. The recruiter has a vested interest in keeping your resume alive with the employer. Assuming she has the ear of the employer, and she presented the job opportunity to you and you go around her, she is a gatekeeper and may affect how your resume is perceived compared to others she is representing. But more to the point, why wouldn't you want someone connected to the company and to you promoting your interests? Good luck and let me know the outcome. Rita. Great question. If the recruiter contacted you and has the search, the company will value her resumes. They are already committed to paying her if she finds the right person and if she has a long standing relationship, she is almost as good as a referral.

Do not go around her. Do not submit through a job board or your resume will be lost among hundreds. The recruiter has a vested interest in keeping your resume alive with the employer.

Assuming she has the ear of the employer, and she presented the job opportunity to you and you go around her, she is a gatekeeper and may affect how your resume is perceived compared to others she is representing. But more to the point, why wouldn’t you want someone connected to the company and to you promoting your interests?

Good luck and let me know the outcome.
Rita.

]]> By: Marcelo http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-1470 Marcelo Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:46:42 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-1470 Rita, Thanks for making this information public. I have heard things like this before, even from HR Directors in companies I have worked in the past. Now, here's a question for you. Let's say that a recruiter contacts you for a job opportunity. Let's say the job is real and the recruiter works for a real Contingency Firm. Now, on the other hand, let's say that you had seen the job posted in a website like Monster, before the recruiter contacted you. Would you go with the recruiter or would you go by yourself? Beyond the moral issue, which option would give me the best chance with the potential employer? Thanks Rita,
Thanks for making this information public. I have heard things like this before, even from HR Directors in companies I have worked in the past.
Now, here’s a question for you. Let’s say that a recruiter contacts you for a job opportunity. Let’s say the job is real and the recruiter works for a real Contingency Firm. Now, on the other hand, let’s say that you had seen the job posted in a website like Monster, before the recruiter contacted you. Would you go with the recruiter or would you go by yourself? Beyond the moral issue, which option would give me the best chance with the potential employer?
Thanks

]]> By: admin http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-1339 admin Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:45:21 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-1339 Julie, Thanks for sharing your views. I hope to answer your questions here: 1. Remove your home address, not your public email or city, state and zip. That prevents a lot of unwanted mail and possible exposure to scams. 2. My suggestion of gmail is only and example. I simply mean, don't used your personal email address. Even from this blog, I get all kinds of spam and smut on my business email. 3.Don't use job boards. Solves all the problems. Read my blogs on job boards to discover why they don't work and how they can hurt you. 4. You don't say where you are submitting? Direct contact is the most effective way to get your resume into the right hands. Not anonymous sites and email addresses. Again, I direct you to the blogs on referrals and suggest my books, Networking Debugged and Job Search Debugged for specifics. 5.One way to detect who the hiring company is requires you extract key words from the ad and use a search engine. Also, the job search engines are better resources for local jobs as is LinkedIn and if you are in Seattle area, eggsprout.com 6.No way to un-ring the bell. Just be aware for the future and protect yourself. The more job seekers become become desperate, the more scams and frauds and greedy plots there will be. It is a lucrative and easy market to victimize. Not wanting to scare but human nature doesn't change just because job seekers are in need. That is exactly who the predators prey upon. So use the simple but very easy rules and your won't put yourself in harms way. Someone suggested in an irate message to me that none of the things listed on this blog and in other blogs occur. That he, as a recruiter, never did any of those things so therefore, I was lying. The way I discovered all of these issues mentioned (and more) was from candidates who have been burned. I received hundreds (!) of examples and sad stories about how recruiters (were they?) tapped candidates for their resumes and were never heard from again. I also received email and linkedin messages from people who were CHARGED by a recruiter and still did not get results. (Anyone who charges candidates is not a recruiter, but an agency and no professional should ever have to pay for a job.) The irate individual suggested my comments were just to scare people into buying my book...which of course is nonsense. The blog itself was the answer to the problem. If people decide to buy the book it is because they valued the advice and want to learn how to tune up their job search in all areas. Hope this helps to clarify your concerns, Julie. Best of luck. Rita, the job coach. Julie, Thanks for sharing your views. I hope to answer your questions here:
1. Remove your home address, not your public email or city, state and zip. That prevents a lot of unwanted mail and possible exposure to scams.
2. My suggestion of gmail is only and example. I simply mean, don’t used your personal email address. Even from this blog, I get all kinds of spam and smut on my business email.
3.Don’t use job boards. Solves all the problems. Read my blogs on job boards to discover why they don’t work and how they can hurt you.
4. You don’t say where you are submitting? Direct contact is the most effective way to get your resume into the right hands. Not anonymous sites and email addresses. Again, I direct you to the blogs on referrals and suggest my books, Networking Debugged and Job Search Debugged for specifics.
5.One way to detect who the hiring company is requires you extract key words from the ad and use a search engine. Also, the job search engines are better resources for local jobs as is LinkedIn and if you are in Seattle area, eggsprout.com
6.No way to un-ring the bell. Just be aware for the future and protect yourself. The more job seekers become become desperate, the more scams and frauds and greedy plots there will be. It is a lucrative and easy market to victimize. Not wanting to scare but human nature doesn’t change just because job seekers are in need. That is exactly who the predators prey upon. So use the simple but very easy rules and your won’t put yourself in harms way.

Someone suggested in an irate message to me that none of the things listed on this blog and in other blogs occur. That he, as a recruiter, never did any of those things so therefore, I was lying.
The way I discovered all of these issues mentioned (and more) was from candidates who have been burned. I received hundreds (!) of examples and sad stories about how recruiters (were they?) tapped candidates for their resumes and were never heard from again.

I also received email and linkedin messages from people who were CHARGED by a recruiter and still did not get results. (Anyone who charges candidates is not a recruiter, but an agency and no professional should ever have to pay for a job.)

The irate individual suggested my comments were just to scare people into buying my book…which of course is nonsense. The blog itself was the answer to the problem. If people decide to buy the book it is because they valued the advice and want to learn how to tune up their job search in all areas.

Hope this helps to clarify your concerns, Julie. Best of luck.
Rita, the job coach.

]]> By: Julie http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-1337 Julie Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:34:37 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-1337 Thank you for a very good, and scary, article! I have a few questions: 1. Why remove contact info? Won't your name, alone, result in the same culling/ selling, as well as possible flagging by employers? (See #4, below.) 2. I don't understand the recommendation to use gmail versus ,for example, optonline. 3. Job boards - there are many openings stating that resumes submitted by recruiters will not be considered. How can you be sure that those postings (and even others without that statement) are not actually posted by a recruiter with ill intentions? 4.I have considered submitting my resume using an alias. If I do this and also eliminate my address, might this prevent some of these pitfalls, in addition to preventing recruiters and hiring managers from Googling me. 5. Is there ANY way to securely use job board postings or sites such as Craig's list if the hiring company's name is not clearly stated so you can then can verify the job opening? 6. I have forwarded my resume to quite a few online job postings, some of which I know went to a recruiter. If, in fact, the recruiter was misusing my resume and information, is there any way to undo the potential damage? I look forward to replies to these questions, both from Rita Ashley and others. Thanks in advance. Thank you for a very good, and scary, article!

I have a few questions:
1. Why remove contact info? Won’t your name, alone, result in the same culling/ selling, as well as possible flagging by employers? (See #4, below.)
2. I don’t understand the recommendation to use gmail versus ,for example, optonline.
3. Job boards – there are many openings stating that resumes submitted by recruiters will not be considered. How can you be sure that those postings (and even others without that statement) are not actually posted by a recruiter with ill intentions?
4.I have considered submitting my resume using an alias. If I do this and also eliminate my address, might this prevent some of these pitfalls, in addition to preventing recruiters and hiring managers from Googling me.
5. Is there ANY way to securely use job board postings or sites such as Craig’s list if the hiring company’s name is not clearly stated so you can then can verify the job opening?
6. I have forwarded my resume to quite a few online job postings, some of which I know went to a recruiter. If, in fact, the recruiter was misusing my resume and information, is there any way to undo the potential damage?

I look forward to replies to these questions, both from Rita Ashley and others. Thanks in advance.

]]> By: Helena http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/index.php/7-recruiter-tricks-used-to-trap-unsuspecting-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-1322 Helena Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:48:54 +0000 http://www.jobsearchdebugged.com/blog/?p=279#comment-1322 This was very informative. I never thought about the potential trojan horse. This was very informative. I never thought about the potential trojan
horse.

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